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FREQUENTLY ASKED
QUESTIONS
FAQ
Question: How often is the NPTG Download data
updated?
Question: How can I view the National
Gazetteer?
Question: What is the definition of a
locality?
Question: How do I register to get a username
for National Gazetteer download?
Question: In the National Gazetteer what do
the codes Lo, Add, US etc. mean?
Question: How are new NatGazIDs created?
3. Area: National
Gazetteer Editing
Question: How do I register to get a username
for NPTG editing?
4. Area: National
Gazetteer Editing, Localities List
Question: (Step 1) What characters can I have
in a locality name?
Question: (Step 1) Why do the grid references
not match my Ordnance Survey map?
Question: (Step 1) When I try to make a
locality inactive I get an error message.
What does it mean?
Question: (Step 1) How can I add a new
locality?
Question: (Step 2A) Why can't I see a
locality in order to assign it as a child of a parent?
Question: (Step 2B) Why can't I see a primary
name in order to associate it with an alternate name?
5. Area: NaPTAN Data
Downloads
Question: How do I register to get a username
for download?
Question: How can I get stop data for other
Local Authorities?
6. Area: NaPTAN Data
Submission
Question: How do I submit NaPTAN data?
Question: I'm having trouble accessing the
FTP site; I can log on but why can't I do anything else?
Question: Now that we have V2, will NaPTAN
continue to accept .csv and .xml data files?
Question: What do I put in the various stop
name fields and how are they used?
Question: What are pending stops and deleted
stops?
Question: What is a deleted stop?
Question: How do I register to get a username
for using the NaPTAN Viewer?
Question: What is the latest NaPTAN
specification document and how do I get it?
Question: How can I get Microsoft Access to
make a .csv file?
Answer: there are separate usernames and passwords for different facilities:
n NaPTAN submissions (i.e. uploading)
n NaPTAN & NPTG downloading
n National Gazetteer editing
n NaPTAN Viewer use
Check you have selected the correct web page / URL and username/password for the work you are doing.
Requests for access to these facilities can be made directly via the JourneyWeb website by clicking on one of the links on the www.journeyweb.org.uk/ng.htm page:
n Link for existing users to request additional access to NaPTAN and NPTG facilities
n Link for new users to request access to NaPTAN and NPTG facilities
Answer: Data from the NPTG databases is processed on a weekly cycle, to produce a new version of the data download file ng.zip. This is usually performed each Tuesday morning, with the new data made available for download from the JourneyWeb website by close of business that day.
NPTG and NaPTAN data is also uploaded to the Transport Direct portal every two weeks. To view the scheduled dates visit www.journeyweb.org.uk/ng.htm and click on 'Link to Portal Scheduled Load Dates'.
Answer: Start from www.journeyweb.org.uk/ng.htm – 'NaPTAN and National Gazetteer'. Select View Live Data, Gazetteer, then select the area you require and click on 'show Snapshot of Gazetteer'.
Answer: A locality is a named area in which someone would claim to live or work when talking to someone outside the local area. Such named areas are also likely to be present on road direction signs. Further details are in the 'NPTG Guidance Notes' and 'Localities and their Stops Guidance' documents on the JourneyWeb web site, and the detailed NaPTAN & NPTG Schema Guide on the naptan.org.uk web site.
Answer: On the JourneyWeb site, navigate to the NaPTAN and National Gazetteer Downloads page and click on 'Register Here' to self-register. You will be able to download National Gazetteer and NaPTAN data.
Answer: The codes are no longer in use but are retained for historical purposes. There are 11 different codes:
|
Add |
A new entry in the National Gazetteer |
|
Lo |
Locality |
|
Pa |
Parish |
|
Isl |
Island |
|
U |
Urban Area |
|
US |
Urban SubArea |
|
Co |
Community |
|
LOC |
Scottish Locality |
|
PAR |
Scottish Parish |
|
RED |
Scottish Registered Electoral District |
|
DWD |
Scottish District Ward |
Answer: They are generated automatically when new locations are added to the Gazetteer using the on-line NPTG Edit facility. NatGazIDs start with the letter E (ES in Scotland) or N meaning 'Existing' or 'New'; this is of historical interest only and has no practical effect.
Answer: Request access to these facilities directly via the JourneyWeb website by clicking on one of the links on the www.journeyweb.org.uk/ng.htm page:
n Link for existing users to request additional access to NaPTAN and NPTG facilities
n Link for new users to request access to NaPTAN and NPTG facilities
Answer: "A" to "Z", "0" to "9", "-". You cannot have a slash "/" character.
Answer: The National Gazetteer uses "Eastings and Northings"; not OS Grid References. These values are shown as "X & Y" on multimap.com and “E & N” on streetmap.co.uk
Answer: Using the NaPTAN Viewer select 'ID NaPTAN' or 'ID Locality'; then click at any point on the map to return its Easting & Northing in the message window, accurate to 1m.
Multimap.co.uk will give you coordinates accurate to 100m but no closer. Streetmap.co.uk will give you coordinates accurate to 5m.
Answer: The locality is being referred to by a stop or an exchange point. You can check if there is an associated stop via the NaPTAN Viewer or other methods. To make the locality inactive you must ask the local authority owning the stop to associate it with a different locality. If there is no associated stop then it is referred-to by an exchange point and you can ask the Thales helpdesk to remove the exchange point association.
Answer: In the NPTG Editing facility, select an existing locality in the desired District and click on NEW. Edit the template with the new Name, Easting and Northing and click the ADD button.
The new locality will be included (in alphabetical order) with a new NatGazID assigned. See also the question "How are new NatGazIDs created?"
Answer: The locality is already assigned as a child of another parent.
Answer: The primary name locality is already associated with another alternate name.
Answer: They are “National” NaPTAN files for airports, ferry ports, rail stations, trams, metros and undergrounds. This data is the responsibility of DfT and Thales and is maintained by them. You may also see references in documents to a “National” file for National Express coaches but it is not used (all coach stops are listed in individual local authorities’ data).
Answer: On the JourneyWeb site, navigate to the NaPTAN and National Gazetteer Downloads page and click on 'Register Here' to self-register. You will be able to download NaPTAN and National Gazetteer data.
Answer: You can download it from the JourneyWeb website at www.journeyweb.org.uk/ng.htm
Click on the Link to NaPTAN and National Gazetteer downloads.
Login with username and password for downloading NaPTAN, or obtain a new one by clicking on Register Here.
Select options, e.g. Perform a on-off download, csv .zip format
Tick the area(s) required (also deselect any ticked which are not required)
You will then be asked to agree to some terms and conditions of use.
Open or save the data downloaded.
Answer: Use the NaPTAN data upload facility; do not send files by email. You will need a password and instructions; Request these directly via the JourneyWeb website by clicking on one of the links on the www.journeyweb.org.uk/ng.htm page:
n Link for existing users to request additional access to NaPTAN and NPTG facilities
n Link for new users to request access to NaPTAN and NPTG facilities
For security the upload password is different from the download password you may have.
Answer: Data submissions are processed into the NaPTAN database each working day so your data will usually be made available for download from the website by close of business the same day.
NPTG and NaPTAN data is also uploaded to the Transport Direct portal every two weeks. To view the scheduled dates visit www.journeyweb.org.uk/ng.htm and click on 'Link to Portal Scheduled Load Dates'.
Answer: You probably have your FTP client set to use passive mode (PASV). The ftp site does not support this so deselect this option in your FTP client.
Answer: The SMS code was probably used by a stop included in an earlier submission but not in this submission. The stop still exists as a pending stop (see the question "What is a pending stop?"). You need to submit it as a deleted stop to enable the SMS code to be used for another stop.
Answer: The SMS code was used by a stop included in an earlier submission but not in this submission. SMS codes cannot be reused; you must specify a new smsnumber in your next submission.
Answer: NaPTAN V2 is much more rigorous and we may want to move to XML in due course, but not immediately. We will give notice if so.
Answer: For guidance on this and the use of the various fields, refer to the document "Transport Direct, A Simple Guide to the Key Features of NaPTAN" or for more detail the document "NPTG and NaPTAN Schema Guide". Both are available on the JourneyWeb website.
The CommonName should be a simple common name and different elements of the stop name should not be concatenated into this field.
The standard construction of stop names within Transport Direct is locality, street, common name, identifier. Street can be omitted if required. However, NaPTAN data may be used in other arrangements in other information systems.
Answer: Adjacent Region Exchange Points - used by the portal to join up journeys when a bus route crosses from one Region into another. Each set of AREPs comprises a pair of NaPTAN stops, one for each direction. They are listed in a file included with the National Gazetteer download. AREPs are maintained centrally by DfT/Thales – any local authority that identifies an AREP that appears incorrect (e.g. the stop has been deleted or services no longer use the cross-border route) should notify Transport Direct through their regional data manager.
Answer: You should still submit the HailAndRideSection data for HAR stops, regardless of the status of the stop.
Answer: The NaPTAN specification states that stops should never be deleted from the NaPTAN database but instead flagged as deleted, in order to maintain integrity with data that may have been produced when the stops were "live". If an existing stop is not present in a new NaPTAN submission, the stop is marked as "Pending" (RecordStatus of PEN) until a decision is made by the supplying Authority whether the stop should be marked deleted. The deleted stop is also still viewable via the NaPTAN Viewer so that every stop in the database is visible to users.
Answer: The NaPTAN specification states that stops should never be deleted from the NaPTAN database but instead flagged as deleted, in order to maintain integrity with data that may have been produced when the stops were "live". If an existing stop is not present in a new NaPTAN submission, the stop is marked as "Pending" (RecordStatus of PEN) until a decision is made by the supplying Authority whether the stop should be marked deleted.
Answer: Send an email to journeyweb.help@thalesgroup.com to request one.
Answer: Go to www.naptan.org.uk and click on the 'Downloads & Schema' link. The resulting 'NaPTAN & NPTG Schema – References & Downloads' page specifies the latest version and associated documentation.
Answer: For non-bus stop types (i.e. if the stop-type is other than BCT or BCS), the BusStopType and Bus Registration Status both need to be NA. This applies to StopTypes BCE, RSE, TMU, FTD, AIR, TXR, STR, RLY, PLT, FER and GAT.
Answer: You can export one:
Open the table or query holding the data, and click File, Export
Select destination and in the Types of Files box highlight Text Files (*,txt;*,csv;*,tab;*,asc)
Edit the Filename box, replacing .txt with .csv, then click Save All.
Ensure that it is comma delimited and column headings are included.
Click Finish.
Answer: The AtcoCode is made up from three components;
3 digit AtcoAreaCode of the administrative area responsible for managing the stop.
1 character flag - '0' denotes a StopPoint, 'G' denotes a group record (also known as a StopArea).
up to 8 alphanumeric characters for the local reference.
For example 0760BX1234
Answer: 48 characters, but a maximum of 24 is preferred. Similarly an Identifier can be 48 chars but 12 are preferred.
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Issue 3 - 27 February
2008